OPINION

BBB Inc. - With Bare Hands If Necessary

February 23, 2009
temporal
Rehan Ansari's lament is passionately articulated. It exposes the growing sub-continental fault line. He writes about the subversive elements, the interest groups, the politicians, leaders and government honchos who may not be in collusion but who certainly appear to favour lack of detente:
Partition has resulted in nationalism, borders, and visa regimes that make sure that people know even less about each other. As a result, they are more likely to be taken for a ride by the agendas of lashkars , fascists, and the realpolitik of Islamabad and New Delhi. A United India – or even an India and Pakistan that were friendly states, much like contemporary France and Germany – would never have been vulnerable to an American agenda of jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan against the Soviets. Better relations would also have negated this ‘problem’ of Kashmir.
On those (now increasingly rare) occasions, when individuals and groups from one country visit the other, they invariably follow up with glowing praises. They discover the commonness ignored by the government and media in their respective countries. They instinctively discover the common ground and  find the warmth and friendliness in the other not revealed and expressed openly in their home country.

And this causes dismay and consternation in the groups and lobbies in both India and Pakistan who want the enmity, suspicion and hostility maintained. That such efforts are nudged and aided from other powers in the region and the world can be argued another time.

While the extremist fringes  in India and Pakistan can be identified, there are many others that  are harder to identify. But their maneuverings are easily discernible. It is good for business - their business. Hatred, intolerance and suspicion must be kept brewing.   Peace and amity must be kept at bay.

BBB

These three have a common interest to ferment and instigate the chasm between India and Pakistan:

Big Business:  They see profit big ticket defense expenditure. Peace is bad business.  If only they realise that peace has its own dividends, and can add more to their bottom line than selling instruments of death and destruction.

Big Beards: The religious fringe do not want amity and friendship between people. Bad for their business - these Babas in green and saffron revel in hatred and enmity.

Bureaucratic Babus:
The bureaucrats have lost their sheen and magic and are now  in cahoots with big business and MNCs. 

The irony is each one of these three think of the other two as their puppets.

Each time the two countries try to come close by, a force generated by the BBB Inc. pulls them away. The past sixty years are rife with such examples.  Three generations have grown apart.  The unstated goal of nourishing and maintaining a wall of suspicion, enmity and intolerance towards each other is growing taller, wider and deeper.

In India, amidst a plethora of cable TV channels available, there is no Pakistani channel available for subscribers. Likewise, in Pakistan there is a ban on Indian channels, naach-gaana channels are surreptitiously allowed though.

What is good for BBB Inc. is bad business for the majority of middle classes on both sides of the divide. And it is not only middle class that suffers as Rehan argues, but the common person is victimised too.

Barring past six decades, for centuries they drank the water from the same well, participated in each others religious and cultural celebrations, fought against the colonizers and invaders.

This wall is an artificial construct that needs to be brought down - with bare hands if necessary - one brick at a time.
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#1
Vinod Joseph
February 23, 2009
01:19 PM

"Barring past six decades, for centuries they drank the water from the same well, participated in each others religious and cultural celebrations, fought against the colonizers and invaders."
Not sure. There was a Muslim-Hindu/Sikh divide all along. We are kidding ourselves if we deny this. The BBB nexus only widened it and took advantage of it.
Just as Pakistan has the BBB nexus, India has its share of vested interests. If India and Pakistan are to reunify or at least learn to live in peace, religion must cease to play a major role in both countries, something we are a long way away from achieving.

The day Indians and Pakistanis learn to stow away their religions in the closet and go out to work, play and have fun, there will be peace.

#2
Morris
February 23, 2009
01:27 PM

You make it sound like there is a conspiracy by the three Bs. No Sir, I don't think so. It is the religions. It is as simple as that. The three Bs are just taking advantage. They are not the cause.

Improvement in relationship could not solve the problem of Kashmir. Because Kashmir has become problem for the same reason that divided India. So unless you are speaking about uniting these two counties Kashmir will remain a problem.

#3
kaffir
February 23, 2009
02:08 PM

"On those (now increasingly rare) occasions, when individuals and groups from one country visit the other, they invariably follow up with glowing praises. They discover the commonness ignored by the government and media in their respective countries. They instinctively discover the common ground and find the warmth and friendliness in the other not revealed and expressed openly in their home country."

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temporal, what did these individuals and groups discuss with each other regarding secularism in society, banning of music, and resolution of issues that affect both countries; and was there commonality in those thoughts and agreement on the solutions? Merely agreement on having kebabs and lassi for lunch while enjoying Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan or discussing cricket is not likely to resolve these differences and issues - only push them under the carpet, which instead need to be handled like the horns of a bull.

Even Pashtuns are known for their hospitality and warmth bestowed on a guest, which is similar to Indian hospitality. But they refused to turn over OBL because he was their honored guest, and it goes against their code. Only if this famed hospitality hadn't been adopted as a state policy, maybe situation would've been different and less worse than it is now.

#4
SanjayTheAtheist
February 23, 2009
07:52 PM

temporal never tires of peddling the same old contrived fictions.

Big business is automatically bad, eh? Well, Pakistan has no big business houses to speak of, except perhaps a few robber-barons close to the state. Look at India's Tata group by contrast -- they have brought India positive innovations like the Nano, which will bring transportation to many who could not otherwise afford it, in India and beyond.

As for beards, that's again Pakistan's exclusive monopoly. Haven't you heard, temporal -- even the Samjauta Express blasts that you and qommonsense wanted to blame on Hindus turns out to have been the work of Pakistani Islamic militants.

Poor temporal, always playing the game of moral equivalency.

Bureaucrats have always been bad, and with their License Raj have always been the bane of the business community, and the common citizen. Kaangress has been the author of India's License Raj, and deserves full blame for it. Manmohan's lacklustre Prime Minister-ship has proven that it wasn't he, but rather Narasimha Rao who deserved credit for India's economic liberalization. This is the same Rao who was stabbed in the back by Sonia and Arjun Singh. Fortunately, progressive leaders like Narendra Modi have shown their appreciation for liberalization.

I just thought I'd give an example of an Israeli company that has helped bring water to the poor in India:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304849721&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

When have Muslims ever innovated such things? They're too busy posturing their self-conflated political egos in front of the world, I'm sorry to say. One doesn't have to be religious to loathe the Islamic crowd.

What has temporal actually ever accomplished in life? Does he even have any personal accomplishments to his name? What does your resume look like, temporal? I'm asking whether there's anything useful on it, other than your love of sitting in cafés.

#5
SanjayTheAtheist
February 23, 2009
07:56 PM

Here, let me re-post the article:

http://tinyurl.com/boa8jk

Now that's what I call people doing something useful with their lives, instead of just whining and finger-pointing at others.

#6
EnemyofSanju
February 24, 2009
12:42 AM

Hi Sanjay.......
just curious on what you have done for the country except for posting links in desicritics?


you know where a man of your intellect must post his comments. "REDIFF.COM". see it to believe it.

#7
commonsense
February 24, 2009
01:42 AM

morris:

"You make it sound like there is a conspiracy by the three Bs. No Sir, I don't think so. It is the religions. It is as simple as that."

ummmm, a typo...you meant "simplistic" not simple...

#8
smallsquirrel
February 24, 2009
10:31 AM

"What has temporal actually ever accomplished in life? Does he even have any personal accomplishments to his name? What does your resume look like, temporal? I'm asking whether there's anything useful on it, other than your love of sitting in cafés."

wow, so now you simply resort to personal attacks to further your agenda? what does this have to do with anything sanjay. are you willing to put forth your own resume as proof that you have the right to make these kinds of ridiculous requests?

You are adding nothing to this thread but outbursts, personal attacks, and rhetoric. which leads me to believe you are nothing but hot air.

#9
Deepti Lamba
URL
February 24, 2009
10:39 AM

Temporal has quite a few accomplishments under his belt. But he prefers to let his spirit fly unfettered under a pseudonym in the online world.

temp, btw where are you?

#10
commonsense
February 24, 2009
11:17 AM

Sanjay:

"What has temporal actually ever accomplished in life? Does he even have any personal accomplishments to his name? What does your resume look like, temporal?"

unhinged? i hope temporarily. sorry i meant, permanently...

#11
kerty
February 24, 2009
12:06 PM

T has identified only part of the problem. He has left out key power centers that makes Pakistan what it is.

I call it 3M - Mullah, Military, Moslems (Moslem=non secular).

In stead of positive nationalism that can hold Pakistan together as a viable nation-state, it is anti-Indianism that has become its self-destructive nationalism, its main glue that holds it together and 3M forms its axis of power on which the whole edifice rests. Any time any one of the 3M gets weakened, the other two steps in to prop it back, and any time all 3 of them get weakened, the western geo-political brokers step in to prop them back.

Of the 3M, what T has chosen to omit happens to be the main culprit - the Military. It is the military that calls the shots in Pakistan. It is the Military that ISI and Taliban have gained control over. It is the military that west always rescues to prop it back. It is the military that holds the trump card. It is military that neither Babus or Businesses or people have any control over. You can't change anything in Pakistan unless 3m are neutralized, its nationalism is substituted - than and only than progressive institutions might feel at home.

#12
Kaizer_Soze
February 24, 2009
01:34 PM

@Kerty................11

You have missed out one very important element in the entire scenario.

When all three MMM(Military, Mullah, Moslem) fail to prop up the state, then US steps in. But what if US starts rethinking its policy on Pak as well?

Then the three MMM's have their set of useful idiots in the form of desi peaceniks. It is MMM's last line of defense.

#13
Morris
February 24, 2009
02:01 PM

kerty
You are right. But it is very unlikely that those 3 Ms will ever be neutralized, not together anyway.

And if they did, Kaizer Soze says
"Then the three MMM's have their set of useful idiots in the form of desi peaceniks. It is MMM's last line of defense."
How true. It may even work for them. Ther is no way out for India.

#14
temporal
URL
February 24, 2009
02:28 PM

vinod:

Just as Pakistan has the BBB nexus, India has its share of vested interests.

you are right...the BBB Inc. exists in both countries

the original heading of this, which i hope will be restored soon is:

BBB Inc: With Bare Hands If Necessary and it ties in with rehan's post

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as for this:

Not sure. There was a Muslim-Hindu/Sikh divide all along. We are kidding ourselves if we deny this.

who denies the divide? but if you come across the recorded narration of those who participated in the partition migration (an institute in delhi with help from volunteers is recording and preserving them)

and

read about the history available

this divide was more along caste/tribal/ethnic/religious lines and more importantly was not violent and hate filled as it has become today...

(the internecine wars over the centuries are not part of this discussion...am talking of cultural co-existence and homogeneity)

the first deliberate hindu muslim riots were textile union organised ones in bombay in 1890s...(ana can correct me on the dates)

that is why i said they drank from the same well and genrally co-existed peacefully

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for others who have been generous with their comments ...thanks

and for the once rational atheist a special ;)

#15
SanjayTheAtheist
February 25, 2009
12:47 AM

It's again pathetic and predictable that qommonsense can only deflect from points brought to his attention, and can't figure out any actual reasoned responses. Those who are short on reason can only feign it, rather than showing it in earnest. As usual, qommonsense's replies are more of a reflection upon him, than on the topic being discussed.

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